A Dialogue On Intellect Versus Knowing

(S. Talked to an intellectual man and after the conversation she felt not so good.)
G: What was wrong with the conversation?
S: I couldn’t connect to it, it felt too dry.
G: Wasn’t there anything you could do to balance his intellectualism?
S: Yes, I think I should be more sharp to ask where the intellectual thoughts come from. That would be the door to the emotional floor.
G: So, mainly he did what he was good at, which is giving intellectual interpretation. But it was up to you to stop it, when it became too intellectual and too dry. Actually it shouldn’t be intellectual. You see, there is a difference between being intellectual and working on a knowing level. It is not one and the same thing. What would be the difference?
S: Yes, that would be a good question to you: what is the difference between the intellectual interpretation and the knowing?
G: Ok, it is a very good question indeed. Well in an intellectual approach there is no development. No growth of new shoots, just expansion of more of the same. You don’t change the level of understanding; you don’t get a deeper understanding or higher knowing. You remain on the same level of understanding, but you get more examples of what you already got. Now, getting a knowing is either getting deeper or higher, and getting higher understanding allows getting a greater view of what you saw before. A deeper understanding gets you an understanding that reaches down to the roots, to where it came from.  Now, in order to go up or down – deeper or higher in the level of your understanding – you have to go against resistance. When you are operating intellectually  you don’t go against resistance, you simply duplicate what you already know. And it gives you a feeling of territory, because intellectual people expand territory by showing how much they know. Now getting a knowing is not showing how much you know, but transforming facts and information into understanding and intelligence.
The lower level of intelligence is trying to find out how intelligent you can become about what you already know. The higher level is trying to find out how intelligent you can become about what you do not know – this is pure intelligence.
The intellect deals with what you know and the real intelligent person deals with what he doesn’t know. He is interested in what he doesn’t understand. And he dances around what he doesn’t understand. The intelligent person deals with questions, the intellectual person deals with answers.
S: Plus you said something else that was really interesting. You said that intellectual exploration goes without resistance because it is kind of equal, it is duplicating. It means that consciousness exploration needs the emotional system with it.
G: No, I don’t think you need the emotional system to get a knowing. Go back to what I said before; if you want  to get a knowing, you must go to the higher aspect or the deeper aspect of the fact or info you are dealing with. Now, in order to do that, you need to dance around what you don’t know. An Intelligent person is not interested in what he knows, he wants to map and make a gestalt, in the area where he doesn’t know.
So I would say that the process of knowing is a process of  transformation. Doing an octave leap, while intellectualism is a mechanical process, it is not a dynamic process ,it is moving on a linear line; from one step to another step to another step. And at the end, you still remain on the same level of understanding. But you have more pieces of knowledge which simply makes what you already know to be fatter, that’s all.
It is interesting, let’s say you have a friend, and you have a conversation with him and he tells you that the woman he loves is away, but he doesn’t miss her. Now, if you are on an intelligent process you say to him: “Oh, that is fascinating” – you are immediately fascinated about how come he loves her and doesn’t miss her. And then you push the conversation towards the area where you do not know. What happens then is that he would not want go there. He will have a resistance and will keep on and on, telling you more info about what happened when they were together and so on. Because it is difficult for him to move to where he doesn’t know. All he knows is to talk about what he knows. You see, people can’t talk about what they don’t know! They are imprisoned by the level of understanding they are already on.
And you need to be a real, creative person consciously to deal with what you don’t know; and getting a knowing.
S: Yes, I understand. That is why you need the “going against it” – you need the resistance.
G: You see, if you go against something which is existing, it is difficult, but if you go against something which doesn’t exist, there is nothing more difficult than that.
The resistance to what you don’t have is the greatest, because you have got fear in it; you are afraid to be swallowed by what doesn’t exist. But what doesn’t exist is what you can grow into; you can only grow into what you don’t have.
S: And it seems to me that the intellectual person is intellectual because of fear.
G: The intellectual person is very masculine in his approach; he can do and do and do and do. But the intelligent person is feminine, because it works against a vacuum, it works with non-existence, it works with space. And women work with space when they are pregnant. The whole idea of being pregnant is to work with space. And if a man is not a developed man, he sees the space in a woman and it frightens him. If he is on a higher level of existence – and he sees the space of a woman – he understands that it is an opportunity.
S: This is very beautiful!
G: Thank you, it is a very interesting area. And I think what I am actually saying to in relation to your intellectual friend, is that when you talk to him and he is intellectual, well, being intellectual has got dominance in it, just by the fact that it is intellectual, but a person doesn’t mean to be dominant, he is just trapped by his own intellect. And this is a trap because all he could do is duplicate the data he already got. What you should do with this intellectual friend of yours, is not allow him to go on with his intellect, but point him towards an area where he doesn’t know.
S: Yes, so to go through the area that he doesn’t know and to go through the resistance to get there.
G: That is right, and most intellectual people will give a resistance when they have to move to what they do not know or understand, move from what they know to what they don’t know.
Intelligence is about the quality of understanding and not the quantity of knowledge.
Approved and edited by Gabriel Raam. 10/9/2008
 

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